Star said:
We are revealing this to make sure it doesn't repeat again and to get other major Craftworld's to rein Biel-Tan in. Something Iyanden on its own is capable to do, let alone rest of them.
Citation? I mean, they haven't been able to rein them in so far, and they're on the other side of the galaxy. Assuming they have functioning engines, they could resolve that second part pretty quick but having a constant nanny squad is definitely going to piss BT off even more.
Star said:
Biel-Tan is smart enough to acknowledge the fact that they need to do these raids in secrets. This means that they are weary sensitive to their reputation and reprimandion from other Craftworld's. This means they can be reasoned with to some measure and can be incetivized to behave.
Right, right, and what overly prideful people who go to great lengths to conceal their crimes do when their crimes are revealed to the whole world is calmly accept defeat and not do crimes anymore. Definitely not plot vengeance against the perceived slight or decide they have nothing to lose now that their reputation is already ruined and go hog wild.
Star said:
Their punishment will be dealt with accordingly, but it will hardly be complete and utter destruction of their leadership, or some other dictate. Ultimately we are in no position to dictate Eldar morality here, or morality of universe at large.
A reasonable punishment that berates Biel-Tan and that ultimately doesn't alienates it to much will probably be given.
The reasonable punishment for piracy amongst your own faction is death, though an argument could be made that the Craftworlds don't count as a faction. But sure, putting that aside, let's ask about Eldar morality:
@Mechanis, what were the Dominion punishments for True Killing a fellow Aeldari or colluding with the Necrons?
Star said:
That won't be a problem if every other Craftworld agrees to this. Also Iyanden is weary well aware of reapolitics and how everyone ignored that greater authority when they shared Soulstones with rest of the Eldar. They won't sacrifice themselves over this.
I mean, sure I guess, but my position is based on the assumption that people will react to this as what it is: An unacceptable threat to the survival of the Aeldari people at a time where unity is most needed. If literally everyone else decides to give them a slap on the wrist, I'm not going to suggest we stand up and screech for their heads. I'm going to think they're being shortsighted morons, but I'm not suggesting that we should, or can, force anyone to do anything. Just what I think the best course of action for the Aeldari as a whole would be, and why I think the other Eldar would agree.
Star said:
So you are saying that we should avoid potential, theoretical risk of Biel-Tan becoming a major threat to Eldari Race in the future by taking a risk right now and potentially making them a threat to Eldar Race future right now with potentially crippling effects?
I'm saying that if conflict with them is inevitable, which everything I know about them indicates it would be, even aside from the issues of condoning inter-Aeldari piracy, then I'd rather we kick it off now, while their leader and main strategist is surrounded by people who are going to be mad at him, not on his heavily fortified home turf or a battlefield of his choosing and they haven't started preparations for a fallout with the rest of the Craftworlds, than later when they've had time to stew and dig in and plan.
Star said:
I would rather kick that can down the road and wait and see how we, Biel-Tan and Eldari at large develop.
So you would rather give them time to stew and potentially find backers to make any future defection they might commit to significantly more dangerous?
Star said:
My point is that Aeldmoot doesn't have the unity, nor authority for this. This isn't some inter Eldar political structure, it's one time meeting between independent Eldar powers. Before Aeldmoot even decides on these things Biel-Tan will be away on the next side of the universe as they can just leave the meeting.
Could he? You're saying that none of the combined powers here could, on discovering the extent of their crimes, prevent him and his entourage from leaving for at least long enough to come to a consensus about what to do? Because it sounds like what you're positing would happen is this:
Durran Fellwinter: Ladies and gentlemen of the Moot, we have solid evidence of Biel-Tan engaging in slaving and piracy, to the extent of leaving their fellow Craftworlds crippled and defenseless for local threats to kill, condemning the majority of their souls to the horrid stomach of She Who Thirsts.
Archon Aerellian: Alright then, I'm going to just leave now.
The Arrayed Forces of Saim-Hann, Ulthwe, Iyanden and the Harlequins: *Silently watch him and his aides walk over to the nearest Webway gate and leave*
TAF: AH! If only he had willingly chosen to stay behind for questioning!
Star said:
Also no Craftworld will hand over its leadership without a major war, that's to extreme. It's basically equivalent of Alaitoc calling Aeldmoot and then pushing for resolution that bans experimentation on Eldar Souls and deviation from the paths and then asks for us to hand over our leadership for the attempts to experiment on Eldar race with potentially dangerous consequences.
False equivalency. It would be like if Alaitoc showed up with evidence that we were kidnapping Eldar from other Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds to perform unwilling soul surgery on them. In which case it would be pretty reasonable for them to have Aresh-Vul detained at the Moot while a black ops team went to secure the leadership of Vau-Vulkesh before announcing to the rest of the population that, by majority vote of literally every other Craftworld their leaders were being detained and Vau-Vulkesh was under investigation for crimes against all Aeldari kind.
